This is the reality of investing in startups.
VC has a sexy reputation, but how does it really work as an asset class?
Letâs find out from Hsu Ken Ooi, Co-Founder and Managing Partner of Iterative, an early-stage accelerator exclusively for Southeast Asia.
Today in 10 minutes or less, youâll learn:
đ§ Hsu Ken Explains to a 10 Year Old: How Startup Investing Works
â ď¸ Honest Realities of Angel Investing and Venture Capital
đ§ Two Investing Mistakes & One Piece of Contrarian Advice
đ Three Differences of Startup Investing in SEA vs US

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Startup investing in SE Asia 101 | Hsu Ken Ooi
Hsu Ken Ooi is the Co-Founder and Managing Partner of Iterative. Iterative is an early stage accelerator program similar to YC but exclusively for Southeast Asia. In the 3 years since they started the fund, theyâve raised $65M+ over 2 funds, invested in 120+ companies who are now collectively worth over $1B.
Prior to Iterative, he started 2 companies in the US, Decide.com (acquired by eBay) and Weave (YC S14). Heâs originally from Penang, Malaysia.
đŁď¸ Tell us about your career journey from founding VC-backed startups to becoming a startup investor.
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Iâve had the same co-founder (Brian Ma) for all of the companies Iâve started and we started the first when I was 23 so itâs really all I know. We started our first company when I was 23 and Iâm 40 now so building stuff is the only thing Iâm familiar with professionally.
People often ask if this (starting companies then becoming an investor) was the plan all along and my response is always âWhat plan?â Despite being very structured in decision making at our companies, I canât say that Iâve ever been that structured about decision making with my career. Whenever there was a career decision to make, I only really paid attention to 2 things, what will (1) teach me the most and (2) sounds the most interesting.
I never had the intention of being an investor. In fact, I actively disliked (and still dislike) the idea of being an investor. Unfortunately, being an investor seemed like the best way to make entrepreneurship more accessible in Southeast Asia which seemed like it would teach me a lot and I was deeply interested in.
Iâm not saying this is the best way to make career decisions. Itâs just the way that made sense to me and itâs seemed to have worked out okay.
đ§ Explain how startup investing works to a 10-year old. Who do you typically see investing in the Venture Capital asset class and why? How does VC compare with other asset classes?
Letâs say you start a lemonade stand on the side of the street. I think your lemonade is great. You want to sell more lemonade but you need more $ to buy more lemons. I give you $ to buy more lemons and in return, you make me a small owner in your lemonade stand. You still make the lemonade, decide what types of lemonade to make, etc. but if you ever sell your lemonade stand to someone else, you need to give me some of the $.
Large VC funds (say US $500M+ AUM) still predominantly raise $ from pension funds, endowments and large family offices. Simply put, theyâre the only group of people that can invest $100M+ at a time. That hasnât changed.
What has changed is the explosion in small (less than US $50M) and micro (less than US $10M) funds for 2 reasons. First, itâs become easier to run a fund (AngelList, etc.). Second, thereâs more people who have made $ from tech, are now familiar with venture capital and would like to participate.
VC as an asset class to me is very strange and relative to other asset classes sounds like a horrible investment. Imagine telling a prospective investor they should invest millions of dollars in a fund where 97% of the investments will go to 0, thereâs no liquidity and they wonât see a return for 7 years. Who would invest in that? And yet, here I am and gainfully employed.
The entire asset class is built on the promise of those 3% of companies that donât go to 0 and even more so on the 1% that become the next Google. Investing in a company like Google, before they were Google, is so lucrative it makes up for all the other investments that went to 0 and so much more.

đ What are the common myths and realities of investing in startups?
I'm actually not sure what the common myths are but here's a quick list of the realities if you're investing as an angel investor.
You Will Lose $ â Most startups fail and if you're someone who invests in them, you will lose $. In fact, because companies that fail do so faster than those that succeed, you will lose $ much faster than you make $. You should know that going in. It's a long game and what matters in the end is you make more $ than you lost.
Long Feedback Loops â You won't know if you're good at investing in startups for 3 to 5 years. You'll know if you're bad at it within the first 3 years if all of the startups die but those that survive, you won't know how successful they'll be.
My advice to people who are interested in the asset class is to pick an amount you're comfortable losing and investing in as many companies as you can by investing as little as you can in each company. Typically that's $5K to $10K for very early stage companies.
You can think about it as getting the most experience with the least amount of $ necessary. Once you get more comfortable, you can invest more.
đ What are notable differences you see investing in startups in the United States versus Southeast Asia?
There's a lot but hereâs a quick shortlist in no particular order.
Smaller Market Size â In the US, the only real concern is do people want what the company is building? In Southeast Asia, it's do people want what the company is building, is there enough of those people in that country, will other people in other countries want it and are there competitors in those places already doing it? It's more complicated.
Lower Valuations â As a byproduct of smaller market size, less frequent liquidity events (acquisitions, IPOs, etc.) and less $ needed to run companies, valuations in Southeast Asia are significantly lower than in the US.
Aversion to Global Competition â Investors in Southeast Asia tend to stay away from companies who need to compete globally. Instead favoring companies focused on Southeast Asian markets and in industries where being based in Southeast Asia is an advantage. It's still hard for investors to think the Sales CRM in the world will be based in Southeast Asia.
This might make it seem like Southeast Asia is a bad place to invest but I believe these things will change and if you wait until you do, you'll be too late.

đ¤ What mistakes have you (or others) made along the startup investing journey? What would you have done differently?
Although I did a number of angel investments prior to starting Iterative, being a professional investor and investing other peopleâs $ is a very different endeavor. Itâs only been 3 years but here are some of our learnings.
Future Growth > Current Traction â I wrote a post about this (The Importance of Slope) but when we started, we mistook current traction for future growth. Turns out, youâre better off investing in something thatâs small and growing fast than big and growing slowly.
Projecting â This might be unique to Brian and I since we were founders but when interviewing founders, we found ourselves seeing the opportunity more clearly than the founders. To the point where we started pitching the companies back to the founders who would obviously agree because they wanted us to invest but didnât think of their companies that way.
đ§ What counterintuitive or lesser-known advice would you give to people looking to (responsibly) explore startup investing?
This is more of a contrarian opinion but founders are NOT the most important thing when evaluating a company. There's a minimum bar but once someone is above that bar, it's important but not the most important thing. And this is coming from someone who has been a founder and became an investor primarily to help founders.
At Iterative, we believe all startups exist to solve a problem and that problem is the defining characteristic about a startup. It dictates the market size, the type of founder that will be successful, how the product should work, etc.

đĄ Where can we go to learn more about you?
You should follow me on Linkedin or subscribe to my blog where I write about starting and investing in startups. If you have questions, you can also leave me a message.

𤊠Community money rules
Last week, I shared my money rules and asked for yours. Hereâs a few of my favorite money rules from readers:
Jazel:
List moments not expenses (and this is how I write it in my journal - where I kept how money made me feel):
- "I joined a coffee tasting class and it led me to appreciate the local beans sourced in my country"
- "I enrolled in an online AI class, and learned some productivity techniques (to automate my work)"
Viktor:
Values: Freedom, impact, relationships, perseverance, kindness, positive-sum.
Role of money: gives you freedom and the ability to work on what you want whenever/whenever you want, all while uplifting those around you.
Rules of thumb: Do not be stingy on important things, but save on everything that's not a priority in my life. With the right mindset, you can amplify your wealth, undeterred by obstacles. 1+1=3 if you work with the right people.
Lily:
Values: Curiosity, freedom, adventure, relationships, creativity
Role of money: Investing money in self, future and experiences
Rules of thumb: If I like the thought of a book, just buy it. Spend less on housing, food, clothes (things I don't care as much about). Say yes to experiences. Spend generously and thoughtfully on loved ones.

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